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RPS IS NOT OKAY, and even when I avoid it like the plague, it still infiltrates my community.
To paraphrase a line from the show,

There is NOT a thin line between slashing characters and RPS.  There is, in fact, a GREAT WALL OF CHINA between slashing characters and slashing REAL PEOPLE.  That THICK LINE between character!slash and RPS is the difference between being a passionate, obsessed fan and being ACTUALLY -OUT -OF -YOUR-MIND, BATSHIT -CRAZY.


Actors, it must be reiterated, are real people.  I have SERIOUS issues with RPS.  So what?  Well, for starters, I don't read it, and I try to separate my own comments about the characters from discussion about the actors.  Actually, I hardly care to discuss Hugh Laurie or Robert Sean Leonard at all.  Why?  I don't know them.  And neither do you, no matter how many People's Choice Awards you've watched or E!Online features you've read.

I think that the way television is presented and interpreted by fans gives opportunities to know (created, imaginary) characters on a level that is as deep or deeper than written fiction and movies, especially when it's written and acted as exceptionally well as "House" usually is.  I feel like I "know" Wilson, House, Cuddy, Foreman, Thirteen, etc.  It is that familiarity and interest in their (unreal) lives that is what separates casual viewers from crazy fans like me (and probably like you, if you're reading my LJ).  However, the implied permission and support of this harmless voyeurism-- which is really all an audience of a TV drama is experiencing, when you think about it-- the voyeurism of watching these fictional lives unfold every week-- the implied permission an actor gives to his audience to inspect his work and take from it what they will about his character DOES NOT EXTEND to the actor himself, his personal life, or any other arena beyond what appears on your television screens at 8pm Tuesday (or Monday) nights.

I think it's a deeper social and cultural issue that celebrity culture is at the place we find ourselves in 2009 (an avoidance of real news, an aversion to hard truth), that Americans and other industrialized societies become obsessed with an IDEA of a person ("Angelina Jolie" springs to mind) and begin to forget that there is actually a person there, but one who is necessarily wholly different from the projected idea.  Tabloids, magazines, entertainment news channels all give fans the sense that they CAN know an actor or singer or anyone in a high profile job or position, but this sense is flawed and inherently false.

It scares the hell out of me when I see a post about Robert Sean Leonard and Hugh Laurie arriving at the People's Choice Awards and within the comments are frankly disturbing conjectures about what happened before they arrived or what their lives are "really" like outside of the show.

Outside of the show?  I don't care about "outside the show"!  I am in the "House" fandom!  I care about the show.  I care about the fiction of it.  I understand, accept, and ENJOY that it IS fiction.  I don't need nor want it to be even a little real!  There is something that has fascinated humankind about a simulacrum of reality or the ideal of verisimilitude since the ancient Greeks invented theater from ritual.  I get that.  I identify with it, and accept it as a part of my human condition that I will find make-believe fascinating, especially when it approaches simulations of my own experiences of the world.  I don't begrudge ANYONE a deep love of the show, the characters, or indeed any work of fiction.  I do take huge issue, however, with the extension of that love to infringe on very real people's very important privacy.  Privacy.

If you know any actors in your own life, as in, really know them, you learn very quickly that no matter how good they are, they are not playing themselves when playing a part.  Sometimes, a person can play a character nearly the opposite of themselves and come off so believable that even as their friend, you find it convincing.  Extrapolate a little with me.  If the minorly successful actors you might personally know (a friend who majored in theater, the community theater group in your town) can portray people so different from themselves, why don't you extend the critical understanding of that difference to the more famous, more successful actors of the world?

You can't know any thing-- not a single thing-- about a person from a character they portray on TV.  Except maybe that they're making a lot of money.

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sharp2799 From: [info]sharp2799 Date: January 8th, 2009 11:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
This turned up via a Google search prompt so I hope you don't mind my posting.

THANK YOU.

I'm a fervent House/Cameron shipper. I do NOT ship HL/JM. It seems to me to be so disrespectful to the actors. I will confess that I like knowing they're in their own, separate RL relationships because I like people to be happy. But I wouldn't write fics that deal with HL and his wife. *shudders*
lilapaddy From: [info]lilapaddy Date: January 9th, 2009 06:24 am (UTC) (Link)
Of course I don't mind! How awesome. Thanks for reading! I don't have a very big readership, believe me, so you might end up being the only one who reads this rant, let alone agrees with me! I really appreciate that you commented. What were you Googling?

Anyway, feel free to link people back here if it ever comes up in the H/Cam comm or whatever. :D
sharp2799 From: [info]sharp2799 Date: January 9th, 2009 06:56 am (UTC) (Link)
I have Google Alerts for both "Hugh Laurie" and "Robert Sean Leonard" (in quotes because otherwise I'd get e-mails every time the single names were posted anywhere).

I know at least one person who is kind enough to write her RPFs under a restricted flist--I'd have to ask to see those fics, and since I don't, I happily play in the rest of her LJ. It's a considerate thing to do.
soophelia From: [info]soophelia Date: January 14th, 2009 02:03 am (UTC) (Link)
I admit I do read Hugh/Robert RPS, but I agree that it doesn't belong in the [info]house_wilson comm. Perhaps, you could ask the mods if they could just ban RPS completely? (Right now, they only allow RPS stories that relate in some way to House/Wilson. Otherwise, the stories shouldn't be on there). I think that's the only way you're going to resolve the RPS situation (that's if you're referring to the House_Wilson comm. I don't know about other communities policies on the subject of RPS).

I hope you don't mind my commenting here (even if I do read RPS).
lilapaddy From: [info]lilapaddy Date: January 14th, 2009 02:17 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't mind at all! Thanks for taking the time to respond so fairly to my rant. I did message the mods, but they did not reply. I think they're mad at me for disliking them so openly.
soophelia From: [info]soophelia Date: January 14th, 2009 02:27 am (UTC) (Link)
Which one did you email? I think two of them no longer mod the House_Wilson comm anymore.

You could try emailing amazonqueenkate, cryptictac, or thewlisian_afer.

jackoweskla is no longer a mod at House_Wilson.
lilapaddy From: [info]lilapaddy Date: January 14th, 2009 06:18 am (UTC) (Link)
I messaged thewlisian_afer about a week ago.
soophelia From: [info]soophelia Date: January 14th, 2009 06:24 am (UTC) (Link)
Maybe cryptictac pr Amazonkate might be more receptive to your emails.
lilapaddy From: [info]lilapaddy Date: January 21st, 2009 06:27 am (UTC) (Link)
I think that I'm ignored intentionally quite often, but thank you.
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 21st, 2009 11:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hi. I just sorta followed you here from FS out of curiosity, and stumbled upon this journal...and felt I just sorta had to leave my own comments.
Sorry if this is tl;dr for an anonymous comment, but seeing your journal kinda set me off on my own tangent...

Basically, my situation is this;
My favorite band has tons of RPS written about it. TONS. The thing is, if you like a show you can slash the characters instead of the actors, but with bands...there's really only the people in them. And that kinda frustrates me, because I don't like RPS either.

See, I find the band members really attractive, and, being human and all...have, erh, thoughts about them. And, well...when I see people on message boards squealing about how "OMFGHAWTTT!!!!1" they are, I can't help but squeal along with them to myself while reading the message boards...even, er, especially if some of the comments are a bit "inappropriate". So, when I see comments like that, I think "Well, at least it's not fanfiction..." and somehow try to convince myself it's "different". Yet, I still end up feeling guilty for thinking dirty thoughts about these people who are extremely talented and I supposedly "respect". :/

And when I do stumble upon fanfiction, well...I feel extremely uncomfortable. :( Mostly because I know I would enjoy it if I didn't mind RPS...but then I think about how the thoughts I have probably aren't much better.
So, where should I draw the line? I mean, is having personal thoughts about this band any more "ok" if I'm keeping it to myself and not actually writing them down and posting them online where the whole world can read them? What about fangirly comments that aren't in the form of fanfic? And I also feel guilty because I enjoyed their music before I even saw what they look like, and feel like I'm ruining it for myself by thinking "sick" things :( I mean, I'm not sure how much I should repress my thoughts until I don't feel guilty...

Sorry if that was unnecessary to leave in your journal, but if you want to reply, I will probably check back.
asnightbird From: [info]asnightbird Date: June 4th, 2009 04:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
I do agree with you. Years ago, I ran a fan club and had to deal with stalkers and fans who blurred the line between the actors and the characters they portrayed. It got extremely scary at times. I also had the opportunity to speak to these actors and others involved in the show to hear their perspective. RPS really crosses a huge line. It upsets the actors and hurts their families, especially children who happen to stumble upon it. You *NEVER* know who may read what you write on the internet. It also scares these people, because they can't be sure if these are dangerous fans who pose an actual threat to themselves (the actor) and their families or are just overly obsessed fans. The written disclaimer of meaning no harm or disrespect does not fly with the actors or their families.

Put yourself in their place. How would you feel if your 12 year old son or daughter stumbled across a story where you were having sex with another person (not your spouse), a person from work, who may well be a family friend? How do you think the child would feel? It can, and does, happen.

Also, the comments that people write about the actors being hot, sexy, what they want to do with/to them, comments on their appearance, physical attributes, etc. also really cross a huge line and hurt people's feelings. Would you want people to do that to you or a family member? I hardly think so.

All any performer owes us is a good performance. They have a right to live their lives in peace, security, and privacy. It's their decision what information is revealed about themselves, their private lives, and their families. They should not be subjected to speculation of any sort, especially that found in RPS.
lilapaddy From: [info]lilapaddy Date: June 5th, 2009 05:09 am (UTC) (Link)
Exactly. I've never been a part of a fandom like the House/Wilson one that blurs the lines so much. I think it's really crazy-- these people have issues that I don't want to touch or, frankly, be aligned with in any way. I catch enough flak from boyfriends and family who think I like the show too much; I can't imagine what would happen if I got involved in RPS or RPF and someone found out. I'd hope they'd get me the help I'd so obviously need!
halflink From: [info]halflink Date: October 21st, 2009 11:42 am (UTC) (Link)
If you know any actors in your own life, as in, really know them, you learn very quickly that no matter how good they are, they are not playing themselves when playing a part. Sometimes, a person can play a character nearly the opposite of themselves and come off so believable that even as their friend, you find it convincing

Well, on most parts it is, and I'm not here to agitate for RPS or whatever. Just one comment from Katie Jacobs (march 2007)

Q: That's a great friendship between Wilson and House, with Wilson acting as his conscience, but also he's pretty much the one person House can stand. What do you think is the core of that relationship?

A: It's developed the way that it has in part because of the brilliant chemistry between Robert Sean Leonard and Hugh Laurie. They are both so enormously talented and have such great chemistry together that we have really tried to mine everything that's there.

So House and Wilson's friendship (at least) in part is a result of Hugh and RSL's friendship (and not only a result, I think, but process also), so it didn't come out of nowhere, and wasn't created only by writers, but also by the actors. So in this case actors do bring parts of themselves into their roles

Sorry for disturbing
halflink From: [info]halflink Date: October 21st, 2009 11:57 am (UTC) (Link)
I mean, yes, actors aren't their roles, but dynamic is dynamic. I'm sure isn't possible to create chemistry between characters, if chemistry between actors doesn't exist. In movie - maybe. Because time, when actors are forced to pretend what they are not and what they don't feel is limited by the length of time movie is filmed (several months?). But with TV-shows it's another situation.
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